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So I've properly left now. I didn't (and don't) intend on making a song and dance about things, because TF is a dead server and I'm really not that important.

Now, I'm going to speak honestly about my time and the person I became while on TF, in the context of the birthday event and what it's really opened my eyes to.

Background

Once upon a time, TF was created as a free-op anarchy server by markbyron. I'm not too familiar with the extended history, but it grew over time as a community server. Things weren't nice, but there was certainly a community feel around it. People to this day still remember things fondly, and for a while it boomed. TF was popular, by the time I joined at least there were 30+ players on daily, and an extensive admin team consisting of 4 main ranks (Super, Telnet, Telnet Clan, Senior). Things were simply better, there wasn't such a huge divide back then. Yeah, there were issues (i.e. marco, savnith, scutix) but ultimately that was just meaningless drama that (from what I could tell) had no long term effect on anybody. markbyron then ultimately resigned from day-to-day owner, and I'm guessing it had to do with scutix's revolution. This was the first sign of things to come, in hindsight. Please somebody correct me if there's any inaccuracies.

On the last day of July in 2018, I joined TotalFreedom after being introduced it by at the time admins LightWarp and Lionnco. Immediately, the server was.. interesting. I joined at the end of Windows' time, while markbyron was still basically running things behind the scenes. Later that year, markbyron resigned. The staff also decided they'd had enough of the EAO at the time Infamas, and elected to get him removed, which also sparked Windows to go MIA because, simply, the community got too much for him. Granted he had some personal struggles as well financially speaking, but he left.

In his wake, Seth took over the server. And that was, in my view, the final nail in the coffin for TF. I wasn't there long by that point admittedly, but in hindsight I think by that point TF had died, something else had taken its place. Seth was a good man, but he was a pushover. His friend group (named smartnt) then eventually just made the server into their private little playground, and people who used to enjoy what used to be TotalFreedom left. Some came back, but the server was a changed place - the community discovered the power of peer pressure, but for a while Seth seemed to be on top of things.

This was, until a member of the community made a vote-off post for Seth. Seth then subsequently snapped and attempted to delete everything. Seth left because he couldn't handle the community anymore. The member of the community has bragged god knows how many times of his actions there since, for whatever reason, but I'll touch on that later.

Then, Ryan Wild took over.

There's a lot of things you could say about Ryan, but my view (as it has been) is that that man cared. And he did his best, despite everything. This latest birthday event really opened my eyes here, Ryan made choices that he felt was best, whether it was for safeguarding or any other reason. Yeah, I don't agree with every single decision, but I'm struggling to find any decision that I think was made out of malice, or because he simply wanted to abuse.

Ryan ultimately inherited a corpse, a zombified version of a community that had been long dead, devoid of decent people. And throughout his time, he had to deal with so much shit that I'm not entirely sure was publicised, all because he was owner of a fucking minecraft server. And it was around this time that I rose to become a quasi-executive myself, and I saw firsthand just the amount of shit that had to be dealt with. I had to deal with a horrible amount of shit myself, and being honest it took it's toll on me.

Around then, a group from a spinoff server, filled with some of the most disgusting people I've ever been unfortunate enough to encounter, decided they'd fuck everything up. I'm not sorry to directly call out the likes of decyj145, most of you know them as "Declan", although their chosen name is now Aurora and I will refer to them as such for the rest of this thread. Aurora is just one example, of everything wrong with the server, it was somebody with an extreme victim complex who blamed everybody else for their horrific actions, always wanting more but never trying to be a half decent person. This group, from IPTFreedom, then effectively DDOS'd the forum, took down the Discord that I had spent years working on, and fucked up the actual server beyond repair. You also had LOSERS like the granite castle but they are irrelevant.

So Ryan, seeing how he'd have to spend like weeks unfucking everything, decided to end things there. I don't think that's unfair. People seem to forget that Ryan (and anybody else) have real lives, and they seem to forget that TF was meant to be a hobby, something done for fun, but what fun was moderating and managing something that actively hated you for existing?

Think about it, everybody was quick to criticise me, Ryan, even recently Taahanis and Telesphoreo for wanting to end things, but why would we go out of our way and spend money and disgusting amounts of time for a community that actively witchhunts, doxes, and abuses you?

So Ryan shut down TF, and again in it's wake came Telepshoreo and Taahanis to try and resuscitate the broken and decayed corpse of something that once was. And the issues just came right back. An ungrateful community, with a weird superiority complex returned, and you couldn't make a single decision without it being scrutinized to fuck. The server was then shut down for good, once and for all.

Again, I can't blame Taah or Teles for a single decision they've made. Yeah, we weren't perfect, but we tried our best.

The Birthday event

Telesphoreo and Taahanis decided to re-open TF for it's birthday. The idea was simply to have a good time, and to enjoy something that used to be here that isn't anymore. Except, the issues came straight back. Within four hours, I was being hounded about bans. People rejoined just to cause problems. I had to ban a user because I deemed them a threat to the safety of the community, and I'm not on about they'll make some sus comments and move off, I mean I have seen evidence that their behaviour has lead to direct harm to others. The community was almost hit by a nuke because of this individual, with consequences far worse than I can even describe. And yes, I have heard the defences, but I do not believe the defences, I believe the evidence I saw right before me. And if I did not ban this user, I would have risked the personal lives of so many people who would have been targetted in subsequent attacks.

So I banned the user, as was my right to do. And I didn't expect compliance and blind trust, nor did I expect people to even be happy about it. But instead, my DMs were flooded by people who didn't even know why the user was banned, but were arguing that we were wrong anyway. As in, people were arguing and telling me that I was wrong, but couldn't even tell me what I was wrong about. And don't be mistaken, I could be wrong. But I made a decision, a decision that I stand by, a decision to protect people's personal lives, and the very people I had in mind who would be a target of the attacks were the very people accusing me of being wrong.

And it drained me. Imagine trying your hardest, putting yourself in a firing line, to try and help people who just abused you. I put myself in a lot of danger (or it seemed so at the time), trying to ensure nothing happened, and I'm not even asking for a thank you, I only ask for patience. Again, I'm not asking anybody to be a yes man, but I'm asking that they just respect my decision.

But that wasn't going to happen, and it'd never happen. In the background I discussed the various owners of TF, and there's only one common factor, the community. TF is a community full of people who think they know better, who ask and ask but never give. You'd have admins like quack, who tell me my actions could lead to someone committing suicide. Funnily enough, for some reason he's been trusted with a phoenix server of his own, although he'll crack (quack?) at the first sign of trouble. You'd have users who demand everything goes their way and would never be happy with anything we did, and you'd have people who abuse and abuse, and expect you to take it smiling.

The final straw for me was having someone I considered a friend accuse me of backstabbing them. Erin, someone who I used to have a lot of respect for, decided she'd make friends with Aurora a while back. And that's okay, I don't care who is friends with who, except Erin then started openly siding with Aurora over things that happened. I'm less okay with that, but I still respect her decision to do so. Although, I find it incredibly ironic that she'd accuse me of backstabbing whilst stabbing people in the community in the back.

So anyway I removed the Discord mod team, as they were redundant and served no purpose; the server was dead, there was no need. Erin decided to take this personally, and went apeshit in general chat accusing me of whatever. And it hurt quite frankly, to see someone I respected and somebody I thought wouldn't do something like that did that anyway. It was the final straw in a long list of bullshit things to happen on TF.

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I'm making this thread as what I can only hope to be a detailed account of what happened to TF, as somebody who has been just about every rank so far. In short, it's got a horrible community, combined with a bunch of degenerates on the outside who find it funny to fuck with people at a personal level. Nowadays it's just an amalgamation of all the worst parts of what used to be there, most people with any shred of decency has dropped off and gone onto newer, better things with nicer people who didn't scream and hurl abuse for any decision made.

I'd also like to take the moment to apologise to every single individual I've given unnecessary shit to while on here; I was part of the problem myself at times. In particular, @videogamesm12 and @Alco_Rs11 for being part of their removal, I didn't seem to understand just how much everyone put into it. But also towards Taah, Telepshoreo, Ryan, and Seth because I know I gave you guys a lot of shit in my time. That being said, there are some of you (in particular aurora and ivan) who I have zero regrets towards, and from the bottom of my heart, fuck you. People like you are what ruined this place, and I don't regret the shit i gave you.

I truly hope this thread makes people reconsider starting anew, because it truly isn't worth it. It'll grind you down, and you'll soon regret doing it. Although, knowing the people of TF this thread won't serve as a warning, it'll likely be picked apart and "debunked", before being ignored or whatever.

Hasta la vista TF

- Luke
 
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Reading through the thread, I can definitely feel the weight behind your words. I truly respected working alongside you; you always stood firm in your decisions, even when the pressure was overwhelming. I also want to apologize for how I treated you in the past. I was definitely part of the problem at times, maybe minutely so; however, it still adds up. I regret the unnecessary tension I caused. I'm genuinely glad we were able to come to a resolution and put that behind us.

This place will always be a bittersweet experience for most of us—a mix of good and shitty emotions and lessons. It sucks that negativity overshadowed what had the potential to be a truly enjoyable experience. Nevertheless, I will always hold in high regard your commitment and readiness to advocate for your beliefs, even when such a stance was not widely accepted.

Your choice to step back is entirely reasonable, and I hope it provides you with the peace and clarity you rightfully deserve. I appreciate all that you have contributed, and I wish you nothing but success in the future.

Take care,
James
 
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I really wish it didn't turn out this way—I was insulated from most of it because I happened to be on hiatus both during the Seth era and after starting college in 2022, so all of my memories of being here are from times when everything was fine. I'm so sorry I never got to see firsthand how quickly it went bad—I literally didn't know about half of the events described until reading this, and after reading it, I'm amazed the towel wasn't thrown in significantly earlier than it was.

I'm not really sure how I feel about quack's "phoenix server". I've noticed how, uh, erratic his decisions sometimes get, but I'm not sure what to say about how that impacts everything. I probably shouldn't talk more about that—quack's trying to brand it as its own thing (not as a TF:R:R), and it's whitelisted for the time being anyway. I can now see why.

The TF that I remember was a community to which I belonged, the first one I really felt I could be myself in (as I somehow only found out what autism actually is in 2023 and approximately no one else I knew before then was willing to accept "it's just how I am" as a reason for anything that resulted from it). While the Celeste modding community has mostly taken that place for me by now, there's still plenty of people from here that I'd miss for a long time had everything been completely disbanded. As such, I'll still be in the Discord in the event anyone has a reason to ping or DM me.

Farewell. It's been fun.
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I truly hope this thread makes people reconsider starting anew, because it truly isn't worth it. It'll grind you down, and you'll soon regret doing it. Although, knowing the people of TF this thread won't serve as a warning, it'll likely be picked apart and "debunked", before being ignored or whatever.
I did! It's actually still running today, and it didn't really grind me down at all. It took a couple days of setup and was pretty easy. You know why I don't regret it? Because it truly doesn't matter that much. I think the week I made it, a few people joined, and some more people joined it and tried to fuck around and/or bot it a few times. It didn't really work. It turns out that when you apply no rules to the server, toxic people tend to find less things that they can knock down and leave it alone.
 
I did! It's actually still running today, and it didn't really grind me down at all. It took a couple days of setup and was pretty easy. You know why I don't regret it? Because it truly doesn't matter that much. I think the week I made it, a few people joined, and some more people joined it and tried to fuck around and/or bot it a few times. It didn't really work. It turns out that when you apply no rules to the server, toxic people tend to find less things that they can knock down and leave it alone.
Go away
 
I did! It's actually still running today, and it didn't really grind me down at all. It took a couple days of setup and was pretty easy. You know why I don't regret it? Because it truly doesn't matter that much. I think the week I made it, a few people joined, and some more people joined it and tried to fuck around and/or bot it a few times. It didn't really work. It turns out that when you apply no rules to the server, toxic people tend to find less things that they can knock down and leave it alone.
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Honestly. Are y'all missing the point, or what? The toxic people who came to TF kept showing up and kept attacking its community because they feed off of your reactions. My point is that it's possible to make a server, name it "TotalFreedom," and even notify the very same community that they can play on it, and not suffer the fate that the community did. It doesn't really matter that nobody plays it, the point is that this community can't mope around and act like it's "impossible" to make another TF server or continue maintaining TF because of these issues. So let's see someone actually refute that. Or, you can keep throwing personal insults back at me and proving my point for me.

I guarantee you, nobody is gonna wanna hear it. But it's why my server is still running and the one everyone cares about so much isn't.
 
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In brainrot terms for the newgens in the audience:
TotalFreedom the minecraft server has ended cuz the bruzz. huzz and thuzz were unskibidi. The owners were sigma but they couldn't handle the sauce and crashed out. Also, nobody should make a new one because they will get lost in the sauce too and crash out eventually.
 
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In brainrot terms for the newgens in the audience:
TotalFreedom the minecraft server has ended cuz the bruzz. huzz and thuzz were unskibidi. The owners were sigma but they couldn't handle the sauce and crashed out. Also, nobody should make a new one because they will get lost in the sauce too and crash out eventually.
this makes me sad
 
it kinda does... you can't make a point about the TF community not being shit if you have no community
Trust me on this one, I never thought the community wasn't shit. The problem is that everyone here is trying to maintain an intricate structure of staff and rules that are inevitably going to get worn down to a nub. When you're dealing with garbage, you set up a dumpster instead of trying to hoard it in your house.
 
Ok so Steven said this and I believe it to be true. I was one of the people who crashed and lagged the server. And in return, Panther kept blocking more and more things. Now, if you try and join, it's literally unusable. In Panther's view, there are no rules, but literally everything is blocked. You can't break the rules if everything blocked. Basically, it's taking the "Freedom" out of TotalFreedom. All it takes is one person to ruin it for everyone and Panther will give in and block and nerf everything. So the server is just a shitty, three legged donkey knockoff. Panther never had to deal with the community because no one wanted to move to Panther's shitty clone. You can't say you didn't have a toxic community because you literally only had 3 people join in total. Luke is right that the community is what makes TF. The community was smart enough to not go to Panther's sloppy server so therefore it really wasn't TotalFreedom, despite that Panther calls it so.
 
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I was one of the people who crashed and lagged the server. And in return, Panther kept blocking more and more things. Now, if you try and join, it's literally unusable. In Panther's view, there are no rules, but literally everything is blocked. You can't break the rules if everything blocked. Basically, it's taking the "Freedom" out of TotalFreedom. All it takes is one person to ruin it for everyone and Panther will give in and block and nerf everything. So the server is just a shitty, three legged donkey knockoff. Panther never had to deal with the community because no one wanted to move to Panther's shitty clone.
Fair point, you need to block shit at the end of the day to have a functional server. But it's not like the server ends up being unusable...at all. It's a lot easier to prevent people from simply impacting the stability of the server than it is to maintain order between constant conflicts with annoying whiners constantly on both ends. When I first joined, TF was frankly more similar to my knockoff than to what it was when it closed. There were technically rules, but the goal of most of the staff was more to just maintain the server while preventing the most obnoxious of people from hindering the experience. Straying from that goal was what, in my opinion, killed it; everyone became tied up in the pointless politics of the server and every dumb implication behind each of the 7000 rules that were constantly being written and re-written. It's why the guy you're talking about, Steven, stopped playing on the server in the first place: he didn't find that he could really administrate like he used to, because there was just a different goal in mind for the staff and fewer players on the server. It's self-explanatory why people thought this was ridiculous and attacked the community for it. A simpler server format, like the one I am offering currently, is the solution to such a problem. Nobody can really be upset over rules disputes, there's no stupidly complicated staff hierarchy. and everyone has a mutual understanding that the server is what it is, since it's anarchy.
 
Trust me on this one, I never thought the community wasn't shit. The problem is that everyone here is trying to maintain an intricate structure of staff and rules that are inevitably going to get worn down to a nub. When you're dealing with garbage, you set up a dumpster instead of trying to hoard it in your house.
If I took a shit, posted it on Reddit and titled it "TotalFreedom" and got like 6 upvotes in the first day and then nobody looked at it again, wouldn't that also prove that "TF can exist"? In reality, yeah technically TF DOES exist, as a piece of shit that I posted on Reddit, but it's not anywhere near the server I'm referring to here. well sort of, TF is a pile of shite, but i wouldn't post it to Reddit.

you've not remade TF, you've made another server, titled it "TF", it receives no players, and the only way it's even slightly linked to here is by name only. you're not proving the point you think you are, TF as we refer to it isn't alive under you, the server YOU made is "alive" (as in, the server functions albeit barely). your "TF" is a bastardised version of what used to be, not a continuation.
 
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you've not remade TF, you've made another server, titled it "TF", it receives no players, and the only way it's even slightly linked to here is by name only. you're not proving the point you think you are, TF as we refer to it isn't alive under you, the server YOU made is "alive" (as in, the server functions albeit barely). your "TF" is a bastardised version of what used to be, not a continuation.
You're right. None of this community really joined and it is in reality a server with no players on it. But why does that matter? It's a fucking Minecraft server. I get the community is toxic and whatever, but it's not like they would be able to do much harm to anyone but themselves even if they did join and try to. What are they gonna do? Ruffle some feathers in Discord? What they won't do is affect a structure that actually matters, like the brand image of the server or the staff hierarchy, because they don't exist on my server. Maybe there's some Linux kernel exploit I didn't know about and they got into the panel - oh no! That's when it's helpful to be a free server that can just be replaced with a little setup anyway.

Long story short, the point is, nobody has to get this worked up over some troublemakers and skids. Come on. It's literally just a hobby project and isn't our livelihood.
 
It's literally just a hobby project and isn't our livelihood.
And this proves you have not dealt with the community at all. The community expects us to work on TF full time when we are all volunteers. Nothing is ever good enough for the community and the level of complaints literally does require it to be your livelihood. The fact that you say this means that you don't have TotalFreedom. Your server just has the name. It's not anything related to what TotalFreedom actually is and you never dealt with the community if you're saying that.
 
The fact xenforo lets you partially quote posts is hilarious for this very reason
One of the cool features with XenForo is that you can ban someone from replying to a certain thread. I fear that would kill the entertainment though.
 
And this proves you have not dealt with the community at all. The community expects us to work on TF full time when we are all volunteers. Nothing is ever good enough for the community and the level of complaints literally does require it to be your livelihood. The fact that you say this means that you don't have TotalFreedom.
That simply isn't true. If you genuinely think making a "good enough" Minecraft server is a task that takes your livelihood to do, you are proof of my point rather than yours. You have to see through the essentially meaningless gripes the community had about the server... at the end of the day, most people just want to have others online to interact with. That's why the community was more satisfied with the state of the server when it was an issue-ridden shithole than they were when it became more "refined" but the playerbase was festering away.

I get TotalFreedom is a unique case where the game format isn't really like other servers, but there's also hundreds of examples of servers that have done better recently and put in less effort. It's definitely possible, even with this group of people. The community has simply lacked a leader with the correct focus and ambitions in the right place. (Keep in mind, I am not saying that people were not putting in effort.)
 
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tf really is the byzantine empire of servers bc its literally fully dead and people r still arguing about it ijbol
 
No, what you wrote was just an incomprehensible word salad. Try again, buddy.
You're dodging writing an actual response by pretending that the idea that management took the wrong approach toward running a server is "incomprehensible." This type of no-can-do attitude is exactly what I'm talking about - this seems to be a big reason why the server managed by the group of staff in question is no longer running.
 
You're dodging writing an actual response by pretending that the idea that management took the wrong approach toward running a server is "incomprehensible." This type of no-can-do attitude is exactly what I'm talking about - this seems to be a big reason why the server managed by the group of staff in question is no longer running.
You think you run yours well but that's because you have a dead server. You only need one person to run a dead server. You never had anyone from TFR join your server so the issues with the community aren't apparent to you. It's not purely a management issue and if it was then we would've had a perfect owner to rule them all by now
 
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oh fuck off panther jesus fucking christ youre plugging a dead server on an even deader server

who fucking cares if you think you run things better, jesus christ man stop being such a cunt for once in your life

the year is 2084, between the global warming crisis and the nukes the world is fucked, and the last traces of humanity still cling on.

Donald Trump the 2nd, current king of America, goes to his trusted advisors on how to worst handle the situation. He turns to Panther, who simply replies 'If *I* was king, *I* would have done things better.'

humanity perishes as Panther cackles, living in a world of what-ifs and never-weres, always quick to criticise but never capable of actually doing the shit he says he'd do
 
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It's not purely a management issue and if it was then we would've had a perfect owner to rule them all by now
We had an owner to rule them all. His name was Mark. He wasn't perfect, but he took an approach that's more similar to mine than whatever the fuck you guys were doing when the server died.


humanity perishes as Panther cackles, living in a world of what-ifs and never-weres, always quick to criticise but never capable of actually doing the shit he says he'd do
You'd be in a position to say this if you weren't the one defending the idea of doing nothing. I'm the one who's doing anything at all right now while you guys sit there and make excuses to not do so yourself.
 
We had an owner to rule them all. His name was Mark. He wasn't perfect, but he took an approach that's more similar to mine than whatever the fuck you guys were doing when the server died.
I disagree. You have no players so whatever approach you're taking clearly isn't working.

You'd be in a position to say this if you weren't the one defending the idea of doing nothing. I'm the one who's doing anything at all right now while you guys sit there and make excuses to not do so yourself.
We literally did something. We were the ones to start TF:R. WTF do you mean we didn't do anything? We were the ones who started, ran, maintained, and created new policies for TF:R. You have nothing to maintain. Your server doesn't get used so of course it can sit there dormant restarting every hour. It'd be different if you actively had issues and showed us how you were mitigating them, but what you're saying is that your server where nothing ever happens is supposed to prove it can be done.
 
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We had an owner to rule them all. His name was Mark. He wasn't perfect, but he took an approach that's more similar to mine than whatever the fuck you guys were doing when the server died.



You'd be in a position to say this if you weren't the one defending the idea of doing nothing. I'm the one who's doing anything at all right now while you guys sit there and make excuses to not do so yourself.
we continued the server with the actual community, you're running nothing but a mere server in hopes people will join but the difference is that we actually had the tf community and dealt with it, you're dealing with nothing but server costs and bug fixes lol
 
you guys sit there and make excuses to not do so yourself.
yk this sentence alone sums up the entirety of my issue with TF.

1) TF is the people, not the server. you are not doing anything to do with TF. you have a server you've named TF but the community (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with ours. you do not have the same issues we do, primarily because you don't get any players but because your server is not TF.

2) Myself, Taahanis, Telesphoreo, Ryan, Seth, Windows, Markbyron, owe you, or anyone else, nothing. we do not need an 'excuse', we do not need your approval and we certainly don't need to justify moving on with our own lives to you. again, we owe you (and everybody else) absolutely nothing.

your sentiment is shared. not the stupid ass 'i could do better', but the 'you make excuses to not do stuff'. people don't understand that this is a hobby, something you are meant to do for fun. people for some reason see taah and Telesphoreo's jobs as obligations, necessities. remember folks, we're all real people with real lives. we shouldn't need to justify wanting to move on.
 
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yk this sentence alone sums up the entirety of my issue with TF.

1) TF is the people, not the server. you are not doing anything to do with TF. you have a server you've named TF but the community (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with ours. you do not have the same issues we do, primarily because you don't get any players but because your server is not TF.

2) Myself, Taahanis, Telesphoreo, Ryan, Seth, Windows, Markbyron, owe you, or anyone else, nothing. we do not need an 'excuse', we do not need your approval and we certainly don't need to justify moving on with our own lives to you. again, we owe you (and everybody else) absolutely nothing.

your sentiment is shared. not the stupid ass 'i could do better', but the 'you make excuses to not do stuff'. people don't understand that this is a hobby, something you are meant to do for fun. people for some reason see taah and Telesphoreo's jobs as obligations, necessities. remember folks, we're all real people with real lives. we shouldn't need to justify wanting to move on.
wtfrick i was obligated and peer pressured wdym.....,,,,????
kidding it was @video's make a wish to bring tf back he has terminal illness rip
 
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2) Myself, Taahanis, Telesphoreo, Ryan, Seth, Windows, Markbyron, owe you, or anyone else, nothing. we do not need an 'excuse', we do not need your approval and we certainly don't need to justify moving on with our own lives to you. again, we owe you (and everybody else) absolutely nothing.
It's true that you don't really owe anything to the community, but if you're really going to do nothing, you don't get to act like you're some sort of saint who tried to create a place for the community in TF:R and then was betrayed. I really don't think you or any of the staff deserve to be able to complain about the community so much. Somehow, it's impossible in your mind that you and the staff just took the wrong approach and didn't look closely enough about what actually made people come to the server in the first place. To you guys, it's like the amount of effort you put in should directly correlate to the community liking the server, when in reality, that's never how it worked.

This community was built on the base of a server that allowed them a place where they could cause a little mischief and witness the spectacle of others' stupidity and poor decision-making. It's the only reason TotalFreedom wasn't like every other forgettable Minecraft server. I can tell you with 100% certainty if you had placed in 2014 the "improved" version of TF with actual rules and the patches and whatever else you guys put in so much unnecessary effort to do, I would have left immediately and never came back. And pretty much everyone else would have too. The server would have died years earlier. These things you guys think are improvements to the server that take hard work actually just make the server unremarkable and similar to every single other lame, watered-down creative server in existence. It's extremely obvious that's why it never had success past the point where these changes were made; TF abandoned the core principles that originally made it interesting.

The community liked the server most when it was a poorly secured, loosely managed dump. How long has it been that you guys have been brushing off anything the community complains about as "the community always wants more and can never be satisfied?" It's no wonder that people display a distaste and hatred towards this ridiculous attitude that results in the toxicity you created this thread to complain about in the first place. To me, none of you have the right to complain until you actually nut the fuck up, purge the ban list, and just allow the community to be the shit show it is supposed to be. That's why I am still talking about the idea of anarchy on this forgotten husk of a forum.

You want to move on? Move on. But don't act like you righteously fought for the community and for TotalFreedom. You fought for your and the staff's vision of a regular ass creative server that had absolutely nothing to do with what makes TotalFreedom actually interesting, and dragged along the dying community for the ride.
 
It's true that you don't really owe anything to the community, but if you're really going to do nothing, you don't get to act like you're some sort of saint who tried to create a place for the community in TF:R and then was betrayed. I really don't think you or any of the staff deserve to be able to complain about the community so much. Somehow, it's impossible in your mind that you and the staff just took the wrong approach and didn't look closely enough about what actually made people come to the server in the first place. To you guys, it's like the amount of effort you put in should directly correlate to the community liking the server, when in reality, that's never how it worked.

This community was built on the base of a server that allowed them a place where they could cause a little mischief and witness the spectacle of others' stupidity and poor decision-making. It's the only reason TotalFreedom wasn't like every other forgettable Minecraft server. I can tell you with 100% certainty if you had placed in 2014 the "improved" version of TF with actual rules and the patches and whatever else you guys put in so much unnecessary effort to do, I would have left immediately and never came back. And pretty much everyone else would have too. The server would have died years earlier. These things you guys think are improvements to the server that take hard work actually just make the server unremarkable and similar to every single other lame, watered-down creative server in existence. It's extremely obvious that's why it never had success past the point where these changes were made; TF abandoned the core principles that originally made it interesting.

The community liked the server most when it was a poorly secured, loosely managed dump. How long has it been that you guys have been brushing off anything the community complains about as "the community always wants more and can never be satisfied?" It's no wonder that people display a distaste and hatred towards this ridiculous attitude that results in the toxicity you created this thread to complain about in the first place. To me, none of you have the right to complain until you actually nut the fuck up, purge the ban list, and just allow the community to be the shit show it is supposed to be. That's why I am still talking about the idea of anarchy on this forgotten husk of a forum.

You want to move on? Move on. But don't act like you righteously fought for the community and for TotalFreedom. You fought for your and the staff's vision of a regular ass creative server that had absolutely nothing to do with what makes TotalFreedom actually interesting, and dragged along the dying community for the ride.
this is one of the dumbest things i've read on tf LOL

community wasnt built on mischief and shit, we had an inactive dev team with a shitty pipeline for development when mark and anyone before ryan ran it which led to delayed updates and exploits everywhere. ryan improved development and then we improved it again. rules always existed whether you wanna believe it or not, considering the amount of times you were on the ban list. tf is not an anarchy server and you can yap about it as much as you want, it isn't going to become any more true.

and yeah, we did fight for tf. i literally was awake at 3am talking to ryan to not shut us down. our executive team has dealt with constant bullshit from players. the server was good when we were young, people have ruined it. accept that you won't create a new generation and accept that this whole anarchy idea won't succeed (hint: it isn't already..!)

we implemented constant features to allow shit, we made a whole new plugin to make development shit loads easier, we have a whole server software to patch exploits so people can actually play the game. if you think that's bullshit you are unfit to make any sort of stance or opinion against my team and myself. you sound like another person with a superiority complex thinking we ran it like shit. no we didn't. if multiple owners can agree to this then realize there is some truth to it. do not talk about what my staff deserve to complain about when it was them who were here to help keep the server alive and you were hiding in the shadows.
 
It's true that you don't really owe anything to the community, but if you're really going to do nothing, you don't get to act like you're some sort of saint who tried to create a place for the community in TF:R and then was betrayed. I really don't think you or any of the staff deserve to be able to complain about the community so much. Somehow, it's impossible in your mind that you and the staff just took the wrong approach and didn't look closely enough about what actually made people come to the server in the first place. To you guys, it's like the amount of effort you put in should directly correlate to the community liking the server, when in reality, that's never how it worked.

This community was built on the base of a server that allowed them a place where they could cause a little mischief and witness the spectacle of others' stupidity and poor decision-making. It's the only reason TotalFreedom wasn't like every other forgettable Minecraft server. I can tell you with 100% certainty if you had placed in 2014 the "improved" version of TF with actual rules and the patches and whatever else you guys put in so much unnecessary effort to do, I would have left immediately and never came back. And pretty much everyone else would have too. The server would have died years earlier. These things you guys think are improvements to the server that take hard work actually just make the server unremarkable and similar to every single other lame, watered-down creative server in existence. It's extremely obvious that's why it never had success past the point where these changes were made; TF abandoned the core principles that originally made it interesting.

The community liked the server most when it was a poorly secured, loosely managed dump. How long has it been that you guys have been brushing off anything the community complains about as "the community always wants more and can never be satisfied?" It's no wonder that people display a distaste and hatred towards this ridiculous attitude that results in the toxicity you created this thread to complain about in the first place. To me, none of you have the right to complain until you actually nut the fuck up, purge the ban list, and just allow the community to be the shit show it is supposed to be. That's why I am still talking about the idea of anarchy on this forgotten husk of a forum.

You want to move on? Move on. But don't act like you righteously fought for the community and for TotalFreedom. You fought for your and the staff's vision of a regular ass creative server that had absolutely nothing to do with what makes TotalFreedom actually interesting, and dragged along the dying community for the ride.
Dude, your server is more locked down than TF. You nerfed and blocked everything because I griefed the shit out of it and continually crashed it. It's funny you say that patching the exploits has made TF worse, especially since you use an exploit fixer (Panilla) on your server. I wish we had those patches in 2014 so you would've left. You just want to block everything so it's impossible to "break" any rules. Good riddance, you hypocrite. Purging the ban list is a stupid idea. We have genuine harassers like Nathaniel that deserve to be indefinitely banned. Are you saying you're okay with fostering a toxic community like that? We did fight for the server and fight for the community. I'd like to see you put in half the effort we did. Do you have a forum or Discord setup? Did you make a new freedom plugin from scratch? Did you spend 4 days straight repairing a CoreProtect database that grew out of control? Did you take the time to make policies and organize LBRs to make them public? Let's see your great forum compared to this "forgotten husk". The community has bitched and moaned and complained about every forum software we've used (Flarum, MyBB, ProBoards, WoltLab DIck Sucking Suite), except XenForo. Let's see your amazing forum built with XenForo buddy. Good luck doing it on your free Oracle server though, Oracle tends to terminate customers who get mass reported to their hosting provider. Fleek had to spend loads of time dealing with false reports. There was a lot we did to keep things running smoothly that the community doesn't care about or acknowledge. We do have a right to complain about the community. You have no community in the first place. Your server has no resemblance to TF or TFR. You think you're capable of running a server, and you absolutely are. You do a fantastic job at running a dead and stagnant server. Congratulations, you can do what I did at ten years old. Try managing shit when it hits the fan aside from just nerfing and blocking the permissions and going back to jacking off, or whatever you do.
 
It's true that you don't really owe anything to the community, but if you're really going to do nothing, you don't get to act like you're some sort of saint who tried to create a place for the community in TF:R and then was betrayed. I really don't think you or any of the staff deserve to be able to complain about the community so much.

We do have the right to complain about the community because we were the ones who dealt with it at the absolute worst. You never got death threats, harassment or anything else over decisions you made (such as banning someone toxic and an active threat to the community) because oh wait, you were never in a position of leadership like we were where any decision you make has the potential to start a riot. You tell us we have no right to complain, but you have less of a right to complain about the leadership or the state of affairs here because by your logic since you never dealt with anything regarding the server in any meaningful capacity. We also were in a way "betrayed" because no matter how much we did (including bringing the server back for an event), there were people who took it for granted or complained incessantly about the littlest things we did, even if the intentions were to make the place better or do something fun for everyone.

The community was also more active then than now because most of the player base was teenagers or children. The people who played TF in its prime are now mostly adults who are in college, starting careers, etc. who have more important priorities now and don't have time for playing Minecraft as they did in the "best days" of TF so they moved on. While a lack of marketing TF also played a role, there are changing interests in what people choose to play on when they join a server. You can also do google searches and see that many other servers are shells of their former selves as the community/multiplayer scene in Minecraft evolves and the community grows up as it has here on TF. Overall, TF's decline is due to various factors, some of which were outside our control.

This community was built on the base of a server that allowed them a place where they could cause a little mischief and witness the spectacle of others' stupidity and poor decision-making. It's the only reason TotalFreedom wasn't like every other forgettable Minecraft server. I can tell you with 100% certainty if you had placed in 2014 the "improved" version of TF with actual rules and the patches and whatever else you guys put in so much unnecessary effort to do, I would have left immediately and never came back. And pretty much everyone else would have too. The server would have died years earlier. These things you guys think are improvements to the server that take hard work actually just make the server unremarkable and similar to every single other lame, watered-down creative server in existence. It's extremely obvious that's why it never had success past the point where these changes were made; TF abandoned the core principles that originally made it interesting.

The community liked the server most when it was a poorly secured, loosely managed dump. How long has it been that you guys have been brushing off anything the community complains about as "the community always wants more and can never be satisfied?" It's no wonder that people display a distaste and hatred towards this ridiculous attitude that results in the toxicity you created this thread to complain about in the first place. To me, none of you have the right to complain until you actually nut the fuck up, purge the ban list, and just allow the community to be the shit show it is supposed to be. That's why I am still talking about the idea of anarchy on this forgotten husk of a forum.

TF was definitely not "built on the base of a server that allowed them a place where they could cause a little mischief and witness the spectacle of others' stupidity and poor decision-making." Probably the only time TF was truly "lawless" was the early days when Mark founded it. There is a reason Mark would eventually create a conduct policy when the original forum came online: To keep a modicum of law and order. Why else would you, like many others get permbanned? Because even then there were rules about fucking shit up and going out of line. Even in 2014 when I joined there were rules and fucking other people's shit up was grounds for a ban - it explains why I got banned for crashing the server with worldedit. There were exploits then (remember invalid item ID exploits such as the sunflower? I'm sure you do. People got permbanned for things such as exploits then as they are now. There were rules then and now. It's just now we actually have tools such as Scissors or Coreprotect to handle or prevent some of the shit more effectively when it happens. If we had had Scissors back in 2014, the server would probably be an even better place because many incidents that have occured in the past with exploits would have never happened or would have had less severity. The patches are in place to prevent game-breaking exploits and ensure the server is remotely playable. Before the introduction of Scissors the server could easily get crippled (and it did many times) for days on end because of creative-mode exploits. Our patches at least reduce the time the server is down while we clean up people's messes and allow for more consistent uptime but they overly restrictive to the point that people cannot create custom item kits, etc. Gone are the days when the server's getting knocked offline for the stupidest of shit. You weren't one of the people trying to help Ryan recover the flatlands after the server was sent into instant crash loops for days due to severe game-breaking exploits. I was, so I am grateful that I got to help test Scissors when it was first developed, show it was effective against exploits and get it on the server. It made the server more resilient against many common methods to crash the server and was extremely beneficial.

It's also very ironic for you to tell us to "embrace the shit" when your server is 100 times more restrictive than TF - with you using exploit-fixer software as well. You're telling us how to run a server when yours is more locked down than TF ever was. You've also done nothing significant for TF so you have no right to complain about the community or how people have run things. You didn't ever help recover the flatlands when some exploit skids fucked it up, serve as the ban manager and deal with a variety of shit associated with the role including investigating people responsible for a series of attacks against the server to ensure the right people get banned, dox attempts, experiencing targeted harassment or death threats because someone didn't like a justified ban. All of us who have served in a position of leadership have experienced the community at its worst so we do have a right to complain about "how toxic" the community is because no matter how transparent we made policies, issued rightful justice, gave freedom or added features, people would complain or start needless drama over it.

purge the ban list

No. This is such an incredibly stupid idea and there's a reason we have a ban list that includes unappealable and indefinite bans. There have been genuinely dangerous players who have been banned and rightfully so. Allowing these individuals back into the community puts many people at risk. Why should we subject ourselves to individuals who wish harm upon other members of the community, manipulate others to get their way or take advantage of them for personal gain, have organized attacks against server infrastructure, attempted to dox or intimidate staff they had beef with, exhibit stalking behavior or worse? Then again, you have never been on the receiving end of any of this so you wouldn't understand how foolish and dangerous wiping the ban list is.

You want to move on? Move on. But don't act like you righteously fought for the community and for TotalFreedom. You fought for your and the staff's vision of a regular ass creative server that had absolutely nothing to do with what makes TotalFreedom actually interesting, and dragged along the dying community for the ride.

We did move on. That's why the server closed. Ryan shut down the original TF because the community became selfish and toxic, and he saw that there was no point in salvaging the server when all these people were going to do was complain or attack staff or the server infrastructure because they didn't like a decision. We went through the same shit so it came to the same point that the server needs to shut down. It was brought back up for 3 days last month for a birthday event last month and we saw the same shit that prompted the decision to shut it down in the first place. Only four hours into the first day of that event and members of the community already started stupid shit even with many rules relaxed which made us remember why it was shut down in the first place. It's just you never actually managed to deal with the TF community in any significant matter or were in a leadership position to know what the TF community is actually like when it is at its worst.

Just cut the stupid "if I were king I would have done things better" act and move on like you tell all of us especially since you're incapable of doing the shit you preach to us on your allegedly "better" version of TF yet you criticize us for how we ran things here.
 
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Absolutely mind-boggling how you guys refuse to believe that a server that for its entire life was full of misbehavior and nonsense, and the concept of that misbehavior and nonsense somehow isn't what drew the community back to the server. You're constantly being proven wrong over and over every single time you try to re-gather anyone in a public manner in any meaningful sense. Every community event, every reboot you have ever done has been overridden by it. You didn't respect that the community is inherently a fucking disaster, and then the nonsense and bullshit overpowered you.

I don't care if it's dangerous. The Internet is dangerous. People are dangerous. This community is DEFINITELY dangerous enough that anyone who shows up here should at their own risk. Stop acting like that's not the case; you all know it is. It's not like a ban list or rules on a fucking Minecraft server are going to protect you. And you all will be laughed at by the people who come back only to mess with you every single time you continue to care.
 
Absolutely mind-boggling how you guys refuse to believe that a server that for its entire life was full of misbehavior and nonsense, and the concept of that misbehavior and nonsense somehow isn't what drew the community back to the server. You're constantly being proven wrong over and over every single time you try to re-gather anyone in a public manner in any meaningful sense. Every community event, every reboot you have ever done has been overridden by it. You didn't respect that the community is inherently a fucking disaster, and then the nonsense and bullshit overpowered you.

I don't care if it's dangerous. The Internet is dangerous. People are dangerous. This community is DEFINITELY dangerous enough that anyone who shows up here should at their own risk. Stop acting like that's not the case; you all know it is. It's not like a ban list or rules on a fucking Minecraft server are going to protect you. And you all will be laughed at by the people who come back only to mess with you every single time you continue to care.
holy shit you act like we are obligated to run tf lol. your argument is so stupid because ur not even dealing with the community and with the people you're dealing with your dead server with little to no community
 
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holy shit you act like we are obligated to run tf lol. your argument is so stupid because ur not even dealing with the community and with the people you're dealing with your dead server with little to no community
I'm not acting like that at all. I'm saying you're all fools for expecting an inherently toxic community to enjoy anything other than a scorching ground for their misbehavior. And then complaining when things don't go your way, and continuing to do so long after the fact. Whether my server exists or not, the argument holds the same. It's always been this way.
 
I'm not acting like that at all. I'm saying you're all fools for expecting an inherently toxic community to enjoy anything other than a scorching ground for their misbehavior. And then complaining when things don't go your way, and continuing to do so long after the fact. Whether my server exists or not, the argument holds the same. It's always been this way.
you can say that all you want but tf was never a place for people to have a scorching ground for misbehavior. if you want that, go somewhere else and stop complaining. if you can't realize that then you out of all people should not be saying shit about how we ran it. community has always been this way, the server has not. the server has always been there with rules so people can have a good time and enjoy without griefing and exploits. we are not going to change the server just because oh the community is toxic. they chose to come here, some chose to annoy the fuck out of us and take us for granted. this is totalfreedom, not totalanarchy. we have no obligation to change our whole server to adapt to anarchy.
 
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